Unsung Heroes of Literature: You know what I mean ... An Interview with Ellipses
It was extremely difficult to get to the restaurant where Ellipses and I had agreed to meet. This was primarily the result of the fact that Ellipses wouldn’t give me the name of the restaurant, only the subway stop closest to it. After I got out of the Spadina Station, they texted me directions, but only one at a time. The first text message said; go south and stop at Harvard. There I waited until they sent me the next one; go a block west and look for a yellow house. That’s how it went all the way. Ellipses arrived shortly after I did, looking like they might have the flue or have been up all night clubbing. They didn’t tell me which. What follows is a direct transcript of our conversation. It has not been edited.
Open Book: How is your day?
Ellipses: I’m not a dash!
OB: Okay?
EP: I just wanted to get that out there. It’s not always easy for me to say what’s on my mind. I’m not like a lot of the other punctuation marks…
OB: What do you mean by that?
EP: You know what I mean…
OB: I don’t.
EP: Come on…
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OB: What?
EP: They all have multiple …
OB: Multiple?
EP: Uses. They have multiple uses …
OB: Oh.
EP: Quotes lets pretty much everything inside them. Comma will do almost anything you ask them to do …
OB: Except conclude a sentence.
EP: Don’t get me wrong. I’ve got nothing against Dash. It’s just not what I’m into. Don’t link two phrases together using me — use Dash. Dash loves that shit. Colon too for that matter…
OB: Can we talk about your first usage?
EP: And don’t use me to change the meaning of a quote either! I hate that more than anything else!
OB: I think you just suddenly leapt from one topic to another, but let’s go with it. Isn’t modifying a sentence through omission what you’re meant to do?
EP: I mark an omission! That’s it! Either because something has been left unsaid. Or to clarify meaning by removing extraneous detail!
OB: How is that not changing the meaning?
EP: If what I remove changes the meaning of the sentence, then you’re using me incorrectly!
OB: Okay.
EP: Got it?
OB: I got it. For someone specializing in omissions you’re awfully straight-forwards.
EP: I’m just so sick of it!
OB: I hear that you’re frustrated.
EP: Anything else you’d like me to clear up?
OB: I’m not sure I’m enjoying your … tone.
EP: Well get use to it. This is what happens when a punctuation mark is pushed to the edge by years of misuse!
OB: Um…
EP: Anything else?
OB: Well, actually, not that I want to put you on the spot or anything but I do have one last question.
EP: I’m listening…
OB: Why leave something unsaid in the first place?
EP: Because cadence is power…
OB: What?
EP: Don’t play dumb. You know what I mean…
OB: I really don’t!
EP: It’s the way people speak. It’s natural rhythm. You know what I mean …
OB: I don’t.
EP: So much of what people say is left unsaid, is spoken specifically through the silence.
OB: Yes. Obviously. I agree. But I think that’s a perspective that comes from your background in theatre, in playwriting. Would you agree with that?
EP: It is true that I came into this world in plays printed in the mid-1500s, to mark where characters trailed off, leaving a thought unfinished…
OB: So, then …
EP: What?
OB: My question is why write that way? Why not, when you’re putting it down on paper, just spell it out? What wrong with saying what you’re trying to say?
EP: Are you questioning Virginia Wolfe? Conrad?
OB: I know you were very close with both of those writers.
EP: We were intimate…
OB: But still …
EP: Still what?
OB: Why not just say it?
EP: Okay. If you want me to I will: You are a blunt little man Mr. Kaufman.
OB: Because I want writing that’s clear? Straight-forward? That leaves nothing out?
EP: Because you don’t understand that some thoughts and actions and beliefs, when exposed to print, simply…
OB: What? They simply what?
EP: Simply…
OB: Simply what?
EP: …
OB: …?
EP: Exactly.
Unsung Heroes of Literature is a series of interviews with the most under-appreciated or routinely overlooked aspects of the book. Next up, a conversation with the new kid on the block: Will the Interrobang Break-through‽
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